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Vietnam re-revisited

Oct 02, 2007 by libjpn

We've talked a bit about Vietnam and clear and hold as an example of what is happening in Iraq, and this Nation article by Rick Perlstein, in the course of dismantling two revisionist accounts of Vietnam, discuss that in this paragraph 

Sorley's plot is even simpler than Moyar's: Everything was going atrociously in Vietnam until a new general, Creighton Abrams, became the new commander in June 1968, with a nifty new way of war. And by 1970, Sorley proclaims, "the war was won." Westmoreland, the previous commander of US forces, had defined victory via attrition: "to inflict on the enemy more casualties than they could tolerate, thereby forcing them to abandon the effort to subjugate South Vietnam." What came to be known as Abrams's "strategic somersault" was aimed at creating an atmosphere of security for Vietnamese civilians, winning their hearts and minds. Westmoreland's addiction to reckless search-and-destroy missions was replaced with a "one war" approach integrating "military and civilian approaches to an unprecedented degree."

It was also, Sorley asserts, a more humane approach to the war. "Compassion for the Vietnamese was something Abrams felt strongly and could express eloquently," he insists. The doctrine was known as "clear and hold," and Sorley's account of it allegedly inspired the November 30, 2005, White House document "National Strategy for Victory in Iraq" and its doctrine of "clear, hold, and build"--which, in turn, is the foundation for the Republican argument that nothing that happened before the installation of General Petraeus should count in evaluating our adventure in Iraq.

Sorley's claim that the war effort became more successful because it became more sensitive is so surpassingly strange he can't sustain it. Here he is approvingly quoting an American military briefer on the air assaults launched by the United States to check North Vietnam's massive 1972 Easter Offensive: "If ther're any lights burning in Hanoi tonight, they'll be candlepower." He boasts that this particular aerial campaign "ruined North Vietnam's economy, paralyzed its transportation system" and "reduced imports by 80 percent." He describes Col. George Patton, son of the great general, as one of the commanders who "took seriously Abrams' message" of winning hearts and minds. And yet this was an officer, as Seymour Hersh reported in the book My Lai 4, who sent out a Christmas card in 1968 in which the message "From Colonel and Mrs. Patton II--Peace on Earth" accompanied a color photograph of a stack of corpses, and who was famous for saying, "I do like to see arms and legs fly."

In December 2005 in the Boston Globe, Hanoi-based journalist Matthew Steinglass interviewed experts in an outstanding position to evaluate Sorley's claims about "clear and hold." Steinglass talked to David Elliot, who interviewed 400 Vietcong defectors during the Vietnam War for the Rand Corporation (and later wrote The Vietnamese War: Revolution and Social Change in the Mekong Delta, 1930-1975). Elliot found Sorley's claims absurd: "Only the 'clear' part was a success." What was the "clear" part? "Indiscriminate bombing and artillery shelling which led to rural depopulation"--with some villages hit by more than 300 mortar shells a day. Another one of Steinglass's interviewees was the chief Communist strategist, Gen. Le Ngoc Hien, who has been openly critical of the Communist side's mistakes. He finds Sorley's claim that the war effort became more successful because it became more sensitive "completely wrong."

Discuss. 

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Oct 02, 2007, 09:41:58 DonaldJ wrote:

There were a couple of Moyar fans at Jim Henley's blog a few weeks ago. They were feeling quite superior to the ignorant liberal masses who hadn't been reading Moyar or Sorley or others.

It apparently eats away at them that America lost when we could have won. I don't doubt we could have won. We could have kept killing people indefinitely or at a higher rate or alternatively, we could have found a Suharto figure (Moyar seems to favor Diem) who might have murdered every communist or suspected communist in the land. Go team.

Oct 03, 2007, 05:00:59 nous wrote:

Most of the authors I have read who are writing about counterinsurgency doctrine/low-intensity conflicts/guerilla warfare seem to have concluded that Abrams' strategy was sound, but that the Army was institutionally incapable of carrying out this strategy without in turn becoming something other than a conventional warfighting institution. In his book _Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife_ Lt. Colonel John Nagl quotes an anonymous US Army Officer in Vietnam as saying of Abrams' strategy: "I'll be damned if I permit the United States Army, its institutions, its doctrine, and its traditions to be destroyed just to win this lousy war" (172).

Abrams' systempunkt is not the strategy, but the institutional history and organization that has been built around the idea of warfighting. The Army isn't built for small wars and those parts of the Army that do specialize in small wars had no institutional clout during the Vietnam era. There were too many obstructions in place in the command structure to ever make Abrams' doctrine a political reality.

And even if he had the power to clear out the command structure, we had no political answer to the political situation in Vietnam. It was a poltical problem without a military solution.

Oct 03, 2007, 08:45:22 DonaldJ wrote:

The main political problem in Vietnam that Americans should have tried hard to solve was our presence. Which we eventually solved by leaving, after 50,000 US and several million Vietnamese, Laotian, and Cambodian dead. This is my fundamental problem with the conservative revisionists, not the quarrel over which policy we should have followed while we were there.

Oct 03, 2007, 10:23:20 nous wrote:

DonaldJ -- Yes, well, just pointing out that even a successful military strategy does not always translate into a successful political outcome. All the likely Pro-Iraq talking points point back towards WWII and the American Civil War, but the "war" in Iraq can't really be compared to either of those situations because the US is not facing a military foe. So, like in Vietnam, we can avoid a military defeat for as long as we are able to deploy, but no amount of military supremacy can translate into any political gains while we try to push an outcome no one there will accept.

Oct 03, 2007, 20:42:22 DonaldJ wrote:

I agree. Sorry for the slight element of grouchiness--I've been arguing with a really loathsome person (online) lately and I think it's spilling over into other comments.

Oct 04, 2007, 03:56:17 nous wrote:

Meh- no worries. I usually pay no attention to grouchiness. But thanks.

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